Dr. Beatriz (Bia) Labate — Brazilian anthropologist, prolific author of 29 books, and co-founder of the Chacruna Institute for Psychedelic Plant Medicines — joins Claudiu Murgan for a wide-ranging and intellectually rigorous conversation about the history, politics, and spiritual dimensions of sacred plant medicines. Drawing on 29 years of personal ayahuasca practice, decades of fieldwork across Peru, Brazil, Colombia, and Mexico, and her pioneering work on social justice in the psychedelic field, Bia challenges mainstream narratives at every turn: the psychedelic renaissance is real, but only if you are telling the story from a Western biomedical perspective; prohibition is not simply about patents but is a centuries-old colonial legacy; and ayahuasca is a profound mirror, not a magic pill — as capable of inflating egos as it is of dissolving them. Candid, scholarly, and deeply passionate, this episode is an essential conversation for anyone who wants to understand what is really at stake in the global conversation about plant medicines. Contact Bia

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